Hinduism and the Contest of Religions

Feb 11 2005  | Views 10835 |  Comments  (195)
Hinduism is very unfavorably placed because it has few institutions to protect it, and those who claim to speak for it in the universities are often non-Hindu and antagonistic to it. The Jews have their yeshivas, the Christians their seminaries, and the Muslims their madrasas; Hindus have no religious schools or universities. Hindus in India don't even have control of the most important of their shrines and temples, which are being administered by the government. Many temple properties have simply been expropriated by the government. ... Expand

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  srima52 posted 2 yrs ago

Hello

  I really appreciate your vew. ( pl excuse me for my wrong english)

Yes this is the saddest part of our countrymen   THE HINDUS

they don't read vivekananda

  and they laugh at you if you talk about them

  they say what is wrong if sonia is outsider

  they find it is all right

they vote her including manmohan the so called primeminister of India

  the whole indian population is NAPUNSAK



  NaMO posted 3 yrs ago

chaitanya_the : "In the quest for a living, and maintaining our living standard, somewhere we have conveniently lost this collective responsibility. "

It is possible that the lack of community feeling comes from a misunderstanding of the Atman concept .

It is common belief that the Atman of each individual is an individual entity existing by itself which leads to a selfish conduct. But when we say "Aham BrahMaasMi" or "ThaThvam Asi" it means that this individual Atman has no existence without the "Thath" , "the whole" or the "Maha-Athman" . All depends on all .

The Buddhism arrives at the same conclusion by enumerating the An-Atham concept which says that all existence is relative and inter-dependant .

When one sees this dependent existence of the manifest world, one becomes altruist and then only one starts caring for the community .



  desi_pardesi posted 3 yrs ago


Hey Chaitanya,

I am sorry. I did not mean to insult you. I swear that was not my intention. You can be rest assured, I wont use that prefix. I try to keep it at casual level so that we can have some fun.

But I see the point, you dont like it? I take it...

Cheers!!



  chaitanya_the posted 3 yrs ago

desi-pardesi,
A community is as strong as an individual. This shifts focus on the individual.
If an individual does not fulfill his responsibility, how will he be a strong and credible individual? Does that mean, with one or two rotten apples, the whole basket is to be thrown out as rotten ?

On an individual and on a societal level, responsibilities abound, and have to be fulfilled. Only then the statement(s), an 'Individual is as strong as his community and a community is as strong as an individual' will start to ring some sense.

Dear desi-pardesi, you have, in your previous posts yanked my comments out of context, and ridiculed them without taking the pains to understand the motive behind them. You, although, I have written earlier, that I do not wish to be addressed with the prefix of 'Swami' continue to do so, thereby offending me and insulting me, hence, hereafter, I will treat you and your comments as non-existent and continue with others here who know how to give and take respect on a public forum !!

My sincere apologies for not answering your questions, I do not wish to do so, as long as you continue to insult me.



  desi_pardesi posted 3 yrs ago

Namo,

"desi_pardesi : Great, if you are happy with what you write . "

-- I am in the best interests of your happiness. In turn, you are concerned with my happiness. So long as you are happy pal!!!
Just dont give your twist to other religious statements so casually again. We, as hindus, have been doing that a lot these days.

Humor note:
Did you do your homework? What's with the french gabul-di-gog on our hindu website?? Traitor!!!!!



  desi_pardesi posted 3 yrs ago

Swamiji,


Did you ever get that feeling that when you are talking to a religious fanatic, you tend to get the feeling that you are talking to a stone? I am in the same situation right now. Come on! You are better than that swamiji!!!

You did not answer even one question I asked you. You started your lecture on how hinduism should be best improved.Which I dont mind by the way.

"As a follower of Sanatana Dharma, is there not a collective responsibility on the part of a follower and a right to protect his dharma ?"

--Dharma is more at stake when you bypass the serious questions about the limits of outrage one should show for any seer's arrest.

"Is the argument, that as long as my bread and butter is taken care of, why should I protest, valid ?"

--Its not. Taking that as an excuse dont snatch others' bread and butter. Although, I prefer buns...lol


"In the quest for a living, and maintaining our living standard, somewhere we have conveniently lost this collective responsibility. Someone, here, has said, a 'a person is only as strong as his community', - a very true statement, when we take the current state of affairs worlwide. "

--I beg to differ. On the contrary, a community is as strong as each individual member. This shifts focus on personal responsibility as opposed to getting lost in the 'good cause of the community'.


Namo Namaha,
--Devotee.



  NaMO posted 3 yrs ago

It needs all the billion brains to solve the problems of India .

desi_pardesi : Great, if you are happy with what you write .

Quid Pro Quo: I doubt this is the current debate in europe. any pointer will help.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/michel.onfray/traitedatheologie.htm

"Traité d'athéologie" by Michel ONFRAY
Janvier 2005 , ISBN : 2-246-64801-7

Physique de la métaphysique:

" Les trois monothéismes, animés par une même pulsion de mort généalogique, partagent une série de mépris identiques : haine de la raison et de l'intelligence ; haine de la liberté ; haine de tous les livres au nom d'un seul ; haine de la vie ; haine de la sexualité, des femmes et du plaisir ; haine du féminin ; haine des corps, des désirs, des pulsions. En lieu et place de tout cela, judaïsme, christianisme et islam défendent : la foi et la croyance, l'obéissance et la soumission, le goût de la mort et la passion de l'au-delà, l'ange asexué et la chasteté, la virginité et la fidélité monogamique, l'épouse et la mère, l'âme et l'esprit. Autant dire la vie crucifiée et le néant célébré... "



  chaitanya_the posted 3 yrs ago

As a follower of Sanatana Dharma, is there not a collective responsibility on the part of a follower and a right to protect his dharma ?
Is the argument, that as long as my bread and butter is taken care of, why should I protest, valid ?
In the quest for a living, and maintaining our living standard, somewhere we have conveniently lost this collective responsibility. Someone, here, has said, a 'a person is only as strong as his community', - a very true statement, when we take the current state of affairs worlwide.

We, sanatana dharmis, should take a page off the other communities. Instead of identifying ourselves as Tamilians,Gujjus ... etc, additionally we have to identify ourselves as 'Sanatana Dharmis' - first and then whatever suits our needs of the time. Uniting under a common banner for a common cause, will give direction to most of our youth and also serve as a deterrent to people and governments that intend to take our non-reaction for granted ! The media, is under some kind of control or the other. There must be at least a couple of dailies/weeklies in more than one language, including in the vernacular to bring out issues faced by the common man, and issues faced by hindus. This will bring in readership from different quarters of the community. Yoga classes and veda classes could be organized for youngsters by institutions that derive strength from the hindus. In the west, particularly in Canada, catholics can waive/allocate their taxes to the Church or to the Catholic institutions, thereby the Government allocates a said portion (am not sure how much) of the taxes to Catholic Institutions. Similarly, hindus, must allocate a part of their income, start with a small contribution, towards such institutions, which will have elected leaders ! While I am not saying that there will not be corruption here, but it is a start nevertheless. It is our responsibility to make it work, for it is our organization !!



  desi_pardesi posted 3 yrs ago


Swami Chaitanya! I missed you!!

"This is absent, bigtime in hinduism. As hinduism, deals on an individual capacity, the community feeling has been successfully eroded over time. We have to build this community feeling amongst hindus. A clear example, is the Kanchi seer case. Where is the public demostration, expression of outrage, or any other form of reaction from the hindu population, or brahmin population (for some here believe that he represents ONLY the brahmins !!)? "

--Good question. Saffronized political parties did not show enough outrage on Kanchi seer's case? You need more?? Like what??

* More 'bandhs'. Putting social social life to a halt?

* Create more public chaos by shouting more "naaraas"?

* Communal riots? Some hindu activist already gave an ultimatim: "government will see the blood bath in the streets if they dont release Kanchi seer at once!!". Do you want that executed in reality??

* Dismantling public property? Blow-up buses, trains, planes etc.,


"Some hindus, here, recommend making 'Bollywood' movies out of this political quagmire as a solution !!"

---Swamiji, trust me! it will work. Aishwarya Rai is more worshipped in India than Kalika.

"Some suggest 'Bhajana/Bhakta Mandalis', disclosing tendencies that border on being spineless and brainless !! "

--Swamiji, trust me, that is a way of bringing a community of like-minded people like you together. Imagine yourself in a big saffron robe for once!! lol ... lol



  chaitanya_the posted 3 yrs ago

But, when the 'State' itself becomes the ante force, perpetuating anarchy and misrule, then who does the common man (hindu,muslim,christian,budhist,jain. ...) turn to ? The answer here, is their individual, religious-politico institution.

However, at that instance, can a hindu turn to his 'Tirumala Tirupathi Devasthana', or the Sabarimalai ? These hindu temples are what they are supposed to be, offering succour to the religious minded. Hence we do need a political cum religious identity.

However, contrast this to the behaviour of a muslim or christian, a commoner just like any other man. When he turns to his church, masjid, he/she receives clear instruction on how and what his reaction should be to a particular action. All this person needs to do is to follow the instruction. (Zahiruddin clearly elucidated this in his comment). The question whether this reaction is right or wrong is not important, the sense of belonging to a community is paramount.

This is absent, bigtime in hinduism. As hinduism, deals on an individual capacity, the community feeling has been successfully eroded over time. We have to build this community feeling amongst hindus. A clear example, is the Kanchi seer case. Where is the public demostration, expression of outrage, or any other form of reaction from the hindu population, or brahmin population (for some here believe that he represents ONLY the brahmins !!)?

Some hindus, here, recommend making 'Bollywood' movies out of this political quagmire as a solution !! Some suggest 'Bhajana/Bhakta Mandalis', disclosing tendencies that border on being spineless and brainless !!





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